Curse

Imaginos · Oct 05, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by De Wilde

But at the same point..It's a game... At the end of the day it's just a game.

At the end of a day it is a product that you paid for. What quality are you paying for?

Imaginos · Oct 05, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by illreris

add #3 blindfold screen shot. still working on it

want an easy way to test that blindfold on a specific class with all hair styles? You'll need a free slot.

Create another character in free slot of the same class as person with blindfold, using new hairstyle.
Put blindfold in storage
Put a grey dye in storage
Place blindfold in new chars inventory and use grey dye on it. Blindfold will appear on said persons head in preview window dyed grey.

As the blindfold is a generic headpiece it may work on any class, unlike class specific armor parts would.

illreris · Oct 05, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imaginos

want an easy way to test that blindfold on a specific class with all hair styles? You'll need a free slot.

Create another character in free slot of the same class as person with blindfold, using new hairstyle.
Put blindfold in storage
Put a grey dye in storage
Place blindfold in new chars inventory and use grey dye on it. Blindfold will appear on said persons head in preview window dyed grey.

As the blindfold is a generic headpiece it may work on any class, unlike class specific armor parts would.

WOW that's interesting but I have to go to work soon,
so I will try it after I come home. Thank you for the idea

HawkofStorms · Oct 05, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imaginos

want an easy way to test that blindfold on a specific class with all hair styles? You'll need a free slot.

Create another character in free slot of the same class as person with blindfold, using new hairstyle.
Put blindfold in storage
Put a grey dye in storage
Place blindfold in new chars inventory and use grey dye on it. Blindfold will appear on said persons head in preview window dyed grey.

As the blindfold is a generic headpiece it may work on any class, unlike class specific armor parts would.

Hmm interesting idea. Does that really work?

Fitz Rinley · Oct 05, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Hell, they never fixed the elite Mesmer Sunspear Armor - and that was a pretty major piece. That is why I will never consider getting it for my Mesmer - ANet doesn't care. And they couldnt not have failed to know about these problems before they put them on the shelf.

Imaginos · Oct 05, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Hmm interesting idea. Does that really work?

Why would I post it if it didn't work? I know for a fact it works with class specific armor. A friend wanted an opinion on some dye colors for his armor and I didn't have that set so he traded the top to my warrior from his warrior and I was able to see how it looked as if I had made the top myself, in the dye window by doing the above.

He tried colors on the legs and I tried them on the top and we sent suggestions back and forth. Then when done I traded the top back to him.

As a side note before you delete said hair mule make sure to put the blindfold back into the storage

so you don't delete it and have to get another one.

Imaginos · Oct 05, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Just did a test on the crown from my ranger to my elementalist. You will have to make a character that is the same class as whatever armor item / headgear you are testing out.

It seems that the generic armor items really are not generic and have a specific graphic per class, which makes sense as they had to make them fit every models head

and would also explain the discrepancy some are reporting on crown colors from paragons compared to others.

I also tried the crown on my ranger-mule and she was able to see it fine in the dye preview window.

Mouser · Oct 05, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

I have to disagree with anyone who thinks this issue is just a "minor graphics glitch." People forget that lots of gamers have laid out some *serious* cash on their graphics subsystems. Sometimes the graphics subsystems are worth more than the rest of their computer systems! Face it, eye-candy counts today, and it's huge in this game; It's one of the major draws. The fact that people will spend months grinding out obsidian shards and ectoplasm globs for a single piece of FOW armor proves that.

The OP is completely within her right to expect that her 'toon looks good with a piece of armor that requires a considerable investment in in-game time and material to obtain. The fact that it has clipping errors is unforgivable. The fact that the female dervish's left elbow is screwed up is unforgivable. The fact that the dye system doesn't produce accurate results is unforgivable. We paid $40 for a complete game, not a bunch of mishmashed code with graphical glitches on a game that espouses its graphical prowess. If we didn't care about graphics, we'd all be playing NetHack.

Yes, it's a game. But I payed $120 for this "just a game" for my family, and that's just GW:EN. If I bought a $120 piece of hardware that didn't work as advertised, I'd throw it back in the dealer's face and demand my money back. But since this is "just a game," we're expected to just write it off because "everyone else has clipping problems too..." What a sorry state of consumer affairs, and it speaks volumes regarding the general willingness today to put up with crap, even when it costs a not-insignificant amount of money. Golf is "just a game" too, but if your $120 driver snapped because of a glitch in manufacturing that produced a weak shaft, you'd be demanding your money back. Why are we so tolerant with a computer game? (Jesus, I've spent over $500 on this "just a game" to-date, not including the computers this "just a game" runs on. Is it too much to ask that it work correctly?)

-M

Karyuu · Oct 05, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Actually Mouser, I find the demanding and whiny "I want it perfect and I want it now" attitudes (disclaimer: not a description of the OP by any means) a more horrifying state of consumer affairs. People are spoiled and are beginning to take more and more for granted.

If you find this particular clipping error "unforgivable," I'm stocking up on canned goods. I want to have nothing to do with the future you're part of, because your cries for unrealistic perfection are frightening.

Mouser · Oct 05, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Unrealistic perfection? Oh please, let's not jump straight off into hyperbole in order to knock down your little straw-man here. Anet developed this game; they have complete control over it at all times. I would disagree that expecting that the game be reasonably free from flaws for $40 (over $80 if you consider that you need one of the chapters in order to play GW:EN,) is taking anything for granted. That includes visual flaws from a game that touts its visual appeal.

The entire issue is that this particular item is a *hard to get* item that requires quite a lot of ingame effort and/or resources to obtain. So yes, the fact that it is a VANITY ITEM that looks like crap IS unforgivable for a game that encourages the push for the vanity items.

Have fun with your canned goods in your basement. The rest of us will be exercising our consumer rights, which are being trampled upon more and more these days. I'm glad you're willing to part with your cash for substandard crap. Some of us obviously don't have as much to burn as you.

Karyuu · Oct 06, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Onoes! I bought a game that has clipping in it and my world is falling into SHAMBLES! Consumer rights, consumer rights!

What a joke.

HawkofStorms · Oct 06, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Onoes! I bought a game that has clipping in it and my world is falling into SHAMBLES! Consumer rights, consumer rights!

What a joke.

Again. The point is that a.net didn't need to include the blindfold at all. There was no demand for it. Yet like 20-30% of the hair styles out there have serious clipping issues with it. That just shows a lack of care to quality control. IMO, I just don't trust a.net to produce quality products anymore if they rush things.

If you don't think its a big deal, that is fine. You have a right to your opinion.

Just, stop being demeaning to people just because they have a different opinion then yours.

Karyuu · Oct 06, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

If their tone of posts is demeaning to the effort that Anet artists put out into the game, which I consider one of the most beautiful in the "fantasy MMO" genre, I feel that I have a right to the same towards them

I think some posts here are nothing but alarmist, and some others display an entitlement complex. A minor few have voiced their concerns well and without jumping onto the "Anet does crap work all the time" bandwagon. Kudos and much respect to them. However, I don't see why I have to be sugar and smiles to people who can't seem to express their own opinions on this issue without blowing it completely out of proportion.

If you think this is a "serious clipping issue," I will be forced to laugh.

Kashrlyyk · Oct 06, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Hell, they never fixed the elite Mesmer Sunspear Armor - and that was a pretty major piece. That is why I will never consider getting it for my Mesmer - ANet doesn't care. And they couldnt not have failed to know about these problems before they put them on the shelf.

That was the armor glitch that I reported and where I was told by the support, that the designers are already working on it. I think that was more than 6 months ago.
Is it really so hard to change the animation to the correct file?

Tom Swift · Oct 06, 2007, 03:32 AM // 03:32

While the artists of ANet are terrific, they are working with limitations. Guild Wars uses fairly low polygon models in order to allow lower end systems to play the game. The fewer the polygons in the models, the more likely there will be clipping issues.

However, that being said, part of being an artist is knowing and working within the limitations of the medium. And, since the blindfold is an item that takes a lot of effort to obtain, it should have been more thoroughly tested and, if there was no way to make it work with the models available, it should have been left out or replaced with something else. There really is no excuse for allowing a high end item with these issues into the game.

Redfeather1975 · Oct 06, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

The repetition required to get it.
The clipping issue.
The fact it can't be dyed.
I see why the OP is disappointed.

How about for all those items it shows a note saying this item can't be dyed and information like that.

Mouser · Oct 06, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Onoes! I bought a game that has clipping in it and my world is falling into SHAMBLES! Consumer rights, consumer rights!

What a joke.

I think the joke's on you at this point. Can you actually have an argument that doesn't include ridiculous hyperbole? Can you actually think rationally when it regards a criticism of Anet? Does that Kool-Aid taste good?

We bought a game that obviously wasn't tested completely, and spent a bunch of money for it. The OP spent a bunch of *real* time, and received a vanity item that looks like crap. Being pissed off about that, and having payed $40 per account that is UNREFUNDABLE is not blowing anything out of proportion. One question, did you pay for this game yourself, or did someone buy it for you? If you spent your own hard-earned money on the game and the rig you're playing it on, you might feel a little differently. In the real world, $40 buys a weeks' worth of lunches. But you probably don't have to watch your own expenses, do you? Must be nice to have mom pay for everything.

Incidentally, the little passive-aggressive smilies at the end of every one of your insulting statements does nothing to forward your point, except to prove that you really don't have the guts to actually stand behind your statements. "You didn't like what I was saying, but I was kidding! See the grin at the end?" Pathetic.

What a joke, indeed. And you, my young friend, are the butt of the current one. Have fun in your mom's basement with your canned goods and your Kool-Aid.

De Wilde · Oct 06, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Youch

That's all I have to say

Now with that out of the way - I am saying that in the end of the day, it is just a game. Just like someone going out and buying a new D&D book, new World of Darkness book, new MTG cards... In the end it is just a frickin' game. Don't like something? Don't use it, don't play it, take a break for a while.

Yea it BLOWS that there is clipping going on, and that there are other graphic anomalies, but seriously? I would rather have my ranger whom I love DEARLY to look a li'l bit silly in a vanity item - instead of getting screwed when it comes to the Energy glitches when I'm playing an energy based build. Gee call me silly.

Nobody is going to be perfect 100% of the time, and no item you buy is going to be 100% perfect all of the time either. They tried to implement something - no it wasn't something that was asked for - but something they thought might liven things up a bit, and give people something to go "Wow that's kinda neat!" And it didn't work out so well, but from a person who's beta tested websites, chat sites (RPG's FTW!), and other things... When someone implements something -new- they're more than likely testing it out,a nd fine tuning it to implement into something else. And it MAY just get fixed.

I'm not onto the backside of the original poster, because I can understand the absolute frustration and annoyance of having it - however... I think that those who are taking this far too personally... Need to relax a li'l bit, step away from the computer screen, and go out and get some fresh air.

Why?

Because it's a game.

I'm not going to shake my fist at A-Net and tell them they don't care about the gamers, because if they didn't care? We wouldn't have gotten what we DO have. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have continued on, IF they did not care, those things that HAVE been bothering people and HAVE been fixed? Wouldn't be done.

They're not deities, Grenth and Dwayna did not invoke themselves into their own little fleshy avatars and snap their fingers and everything will be good. Gaile MAY say that some things won't get fixed, but they have said this before AND.... wow... things got fixed.

So why don't people relax, take in a deep breath... and just.. remember, this is meant to be fun?

Anyways, i'm going to get down off of my soap box, I'm afraid of heights and starting to get a nose bleed.

jelmew · Oct 06, 2007, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by illreris

I'm very upset about this xxxx

after long hours to collected items

HOW DID ARENA NET LET'S THIS HAPPEN??

I'm feel like playing SECOND GRADE online game.
Did ANET drop their quality? graphic of blindfold on my beloved monk looks really really bad,
I will not stand for sloppy low quality works.

so I begging you
>>Fix it!!<<
restore my faith in Arena Net's graphic design team..............

>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<
>>Fix it!!<<

Edit by Esan suggestion

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I decided to collect screen shot of Blindfolds for ppl who want to make it but have no idea that how it'll appear on their character.

#1 The Ranger has a better luck than me with blindfold.

#2 Bald PAWN me

#3 Another clipping meh

I'm sorry to hear about this, but please also understand this is near to impossible to fix for arenanet. They would have to either create a large number of new blindfold models or redesign alot of hairstyles. Either of these two options would take just as long as adding support for facial animations and you don't wanna know how long that took them.

illreris · Oct 06, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

hey I just come back. and for Imaginos's suggestion, I already try it but since blindfold can not be dyed so it's didn't work.

add #4 of my collection

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

The repetition required to get it.
The clipping issue.
The fact it can't be dyed.
I see why the OP is disappointed.

How about for all those items it shows a note saying this item can't be dyed and information like that.

It's true except

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

The fact it can't be dyed.

I've nothing against this. cheer